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This is Levelheaded Talk, a discussion on radically upgrading personal and professional relationships with emotional sobriety. This is a podcast brought to you by expert and speaker, Dr. Andrea Vitz, and is not intended to replace the advice of your medical professional
0:29 Jon
Welcome to the Lifted Academy Program. If you're a listener of The Ted O'Neill Program, or if you're a listener of Levelheaded Talk, we're joining forces this week, and you probably know that already. Today, we're gonna talk about pole passion. I don't even know what that is.
0:46 Ted
Jon, I have a question before we get into pole passion. Which music do we use this week?
0:56 Jon
If you're a listener of The Ted O'Neill Program, you'll hear The Ted O'Neill Program music. If you're a listener of Levelheaded Talk.
1:01 Andrea
So it'll be sneaky, sneaky. I love it. There's some comfort there, right?
Wonderful. Awesome. So today, we're talking about pull passion, which I personally believe is your purpose.
I think it's the conviction you were born with. It's the thing that you were put on the earth to solve. It's the problem you see everywhere.
And the people who developed this methodology, Brian and Gab Bosché, say, it's the kind of problem you are most drawn to solve. It is the problem you see everywhere.
So in my opinion, I think it's going to seem like an obsession. Just from a human expert perspective, I think it's going to be the thing that you feel like people may judge you for because you're obsessed with it. Obsession is not necessarily a bad thing.
Sometimes it's just magnifying what is your purpose. It's trying to get you to see the thing that you were put here to do. Now, maybe you don't believe in God or anything or design, but when you find your full passion, you're going to kind of believe in God.
It's going to be one of those things where you're like, oh my gosh, like, yeah.
2:11 Ted
I was going to ask if anything truly great has ever been developed without a level of obsession. And I think that's why it's called pull passion. It's evidenced in the language right there.
2:31 Andrea
Yeah, one of the things Gad Bosché says is your conviction is what pulls you. You don't have a choice. That's what a calling is, right?
I mean, you have people called into certain professions that you would never touch. You have to know right now, you could think of three things that you would never do, because they're not your purpose.
But the person who does them is like, I wake up and eat this. This is what I need to do. That is what your pull passion is.
It's your conviction that you were born with. It's the problem you're most drawn to solve. So let's just talk about a few of these, okay?
And we don't have to go into super detail, but I'll just talk about, like, maybe mine and Coach O'Neill's.
So for example, I'm a problem solver. A problem solver is somebody who solves impossible problems.
They want to find something that's a global issue, and they want to put all their energy and intention into undertaking that issue. And so for me, it started as a big problem of the human frame not working correctly. And I wanted to address that as a chiropractor.
And then it was like a fractal, right? You just zoom out. It's like, well, what's the next big problem?
Well, I noticed that emotional insobriety was literally everywhere. And so I started to tackle that. And now I didn't sit down and think, gosh, what could I...
It just happened to me. I had to do it.
I didn't have a choice, is what I feel. In fact, if you read my book, one of the things it talks about is how this work was a calling and a non-negotiable. It means I had no choice.
I had to stay up late at night and invite people to my home and learn about them so that I could see where their insobriety was, reverse engineer all the things and create the curriculum that would help people out of that insanity, so to speak. Coach O'Neill has a different pull passion.
4:33 Jon
Well, let me interject, because one of the things that we discuss often is how reactive most people are and how we want to be more precise and calculated. So this is not a matter of waiting for something to happen to you. It's a matter of knowing your purpose helps you align so that you are in place for the things to come to you that are your pull passion.
I mean, you put yourself in a position every day where those problems will come to you because you eat them.
5:15 Andrea
Well, it's like you're obsessed with it, but you don't even know.
Like, you don't recognize that's why you keep putting yourself in that position.
But I was saying, like, Coach O'Neill has a different pull passion in general. But in totality, we actually have the identical pull passion.
We're both problem solvers.
Which is interesting. We both have an obsession with solving impossible problems.
Which is what makes our marriage so mission-based. So that you can see now if the fact that my natural advantage is different than his, and my acquired skills might be different, and my origin strength might be different. It doesn't matter. Because our main purpose is identical. And for him, before we met, I would say that you, hon, you're a problem solver. Your big issue is probably weakness, what you saw.
6:02 Ted
Yeah. That's exactly it. So as you were talking about, you start to see the fractal of this.
You know, for me, my entry into things like executive coaching wasn't maybe the traditional path. It started out as a strength and conditioning coach. But for me, that was, I was so drawn to this idea of being able to stamp out weakness.
Like if you take someone who's in an underdeveloped body, and then you bring them to the highest levels of physical achievement, you have to overcome your individual weaknesses in a very tactile sense in that way. So for the uninitiated Diablo Barbell, which is our physical training center for Lifted Academy, we've had more elite, or I've developed more elite qualified power lifters, which is a level of achievement in a sport than any other living coach. Much the same as a black belt in martial arts is a level of achievement.
An elite qualification would be the highest level of achievement in the sport of powerlifting. And what's always been unique about our movement in that way is that the overwhelming majority of those people who achieved that status were not natural athletes. They weren't, you know, as you like to say, Johnny, pedigreed lifters.
They often came in as new, searching for something. Oftentimes they came in through our exercise therapy portal where they were injured. And so that was their first level of overcoming weakness.
And so the deeper we went into overcoming those particular physical weaknesses, what started to happen for me was to really see what's the origin point of those weaknesses. Is it the way that we're thinking? Is it a habit that we have somewhere? And so you can start to dimensionalize that whole problem of weakness, and it goes way beyond the physical. So then we begin to develop training in the mental spaces on how to sharpen and hone your mental nature, so you're bulletproof, and then in the emotional spaces, et cetera, et cetera.
And you can go into great levels of depth around solving the problem of weakness. And that's now what I've spent the last nearly 30 years doing.
8:21 Andrea
Yeah, absolutely. And I think problem solvers are so obsessed with solving any problem, too. Like, if you bring me a problem about anything, I literally have to either solve it myself or find a way to solve it. Because it's in my, it's a calling, I can feel it in my chest. That's why I'm saying that you will believe in God after you find your purpose, because it feels like it's literally designed and put in you like a chip, like a microchip.
Okay, this one's going to do this. And so it's really cool because we can have these incredible conversations about global issues or personal, even down to an individual problem that somebody might have. We talk about our people all the time.
We talk about our students, like how can we help so and so with this one thing? Like how can we leverage this and help them? And so that's super helpful for our relationship.
And I bring that up because if you have a company or a relationship, whatever it looks like, and you know everybody's full passion, it is a natural advantage and all the things. It just creates such a different level of respect and understanding and unity, and the ability to work together so much more clearly and easily. If we didn't know these things about each other, we would just be bouncing all this off of our own self-beliefs.
It's like, well, he doesn't do that because he thinks I'm not good enough, or talk about emotional insobriety. It's everywhere. But let's talk about one more example of full passion, because there's five, and I don't know if we'll have time to get through all of them.
We will teach them in our master class next Wednesday, this upcoming Wednesday. You guys will all get emails. If you're interested in doing the master class, then please register on liftedacademy.com/masterclass, and you will be able to sign up for that.
10:12 Ted
Let's clarify the date real quick. It's not this Wednesday. It's going to be Wednesday the 26th.
10:21 Andrea
Great. And so let's use another example of a purpose, a full passion, which is part of your purpose. It's your conviction.
So another one would be a desire-fulfiller. A desire-fulfiller is someone who likes to improve systems, like making them more memorable or effective. So literally, their focus, their conviction, they have to create a memorable, seamless experience for somebody.
A memorable, seamless experience. This could be somebody like a wedding planner. This could be a songwriter. This could be a filmmaker. Somebody who sees this wants to create an experience, and they do so with precision. Right?
So this also could be somebody who wants to make the internet faster. They see an opportunity to enhance something or make it better. That's very exciting because there is a desire for it.
They want to meet the desires of other people. That's what brings them fulfillment. So why is it so important to know your purpose?
As an energetic plane of the human experience, because it brings you energy. When you get to recruit, Jonny, I bet you'll be fulfilled. When I get to solve a problem, I'm fulfilled.
I feel like I'm not going to work because I'm on purpose every second. I'm solving problems literally from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to bed. And so I'm gaining energy back.
Some people feel so depleted by their job because either they're not in the right job or they're not applying their purpose in their job. That's all. So if you bring purpose into companies, which we're going to do, we're going to bring the purpose factor from Brian and Gav Bosché into companies via Lifted Academy, and we're going to help teams all know each other's purpose.
And also emotional sobriety is super important in that. But all learn their purposes so that they can work together and see each other as superheroes, instead of this is where you go up the works, right? It's like, oh, you suck at that because that's not your purpose.
That's not a fault or a flaw. This is where you're amazing. We're not even tapping into that.
That's what we need to look at. Some people, I always say, you're just in the wrong seat.
If it's not working at your job or in your company or in your relationship, you might just be in the wrong seat, been given the wrong roles, expecting somebody to be, you know, a quote, great dad or a great mom. Because of what you think they're supposed to be. But that's not their natural advantage or their ability.
You have to lean on and leverage their skills and the things that they're born with, and see that as a superhuman trait as opposed to crushing everybody because of what they can't do. Right? Because remember, your pull passion is your conviction.
You can't change it. And you wouldn't want to. This is why I loved finding purpose because it was such a relief to be able to have that obsession.
Like there was something wrong with me. It was who I'm meant to be.
Yeah, that is empowering.
A totally different thing. Like, why am I so different from Jonny? Why is Johnny so much, you know, cooler in social situations?
Why is he? I could be comparing myself to you, but that's not my strength.
I'm supposed to be over here doing that. Jonny's supposed to be the guy making it an amazing experience.
13:48 Jon
You know, I want to get a little further into the weeds because you said something about how maybe you're not in the right chair. Maybe you're not in the right. I had a job years ago that, depending on who you asked, I either really love that job and I was great at it or, oh man, you hate that job and you hate the people around you.
But a lot of that was because of exactly what we're talking about. I had tasks that were better suited to be assigned to somebody else.
And I had some tasks that I was great at and those were very fulfilling for me. And I'm still in touch with many of the people I worked with at that job. And they even say sometimes, man, you were really good at that thing.
And then I'll, you know, discuss with somebody else, some other component of that job, and they'll remind me like, yeah, that man, I remember how much you hated that job. But that wasn't entirely true. I hated some things about it because they weren't in my wheelhouse.
And if I had known that, if I had been more in tune with my purpose, I could have raised my hand and said, give me more of this, less of this.
15:12 Andrea
Exactly. That's the job for me. I'm so excited about that.
So yeah, I think what knowing your purpose also does is it removes shame and it increases self-esteem. Because now I'm not putting myself in a position to think I need to be like someone else or do a job that I'm not good at. I'm gonna put myself in a position to do only what I'm great at and get better at the things I have to get better at in order to fulfill my purpose.
Not things that I think I'm supposed to do because it'll make me more money or make this person like me more or maybe retain my position longer. It's because it aligns with my purpose.
15:42 Jon
And I'm able to say to the person who operates differently than I do, whose purpose is not the same as mine, this is more in your wheelhouse. You should take more of these.
15:53 Andrea
Yes. And if you know that about everyone on your team.
15:58 Ted
This is where this can completely transform a corporation or group that works together. Doc, you mentioned not being in the right seat. So oftentimes, what I've noticed in being an executive coach is this comes up frequently.
This person has so many skills, and we just can't figure out why they can't do this, right? Where they might just need to slide over here a little bit or change something in their job description that allows them to use their natural skills to a higher level, as opposed to having to completely reshuffle the deck. And so sometimes, it's just that one little lateral move over or something where you can shift into the things that you're naturally good at, can completely change someone's performance toward the things that the reasons that maybe someone was hired, that intuition that this person fits our organization, now can completely come to fruition as opposed to just spinning your wheels.
And this analogy really applies for any relationship. Right? This is equally important and powerful in people's friendships or their intimate relationships.
12:13 Andrea
Yeah. And so this is great. So remember that was only two examples of pull passion.
There's five examples. So if you come to the masterclass next Wednesday, we're going to go through each and every one. And tomorrow I want to talk about the remaining two components of purpose.
0:29 Jon
Welcome to the Lifted Academy Program. If you're a listener of The Ted O'Neill Program, or if you're a listener of Levelheaded Talk, we're joining forces this week, and you probably know that already. Today, we're gonna talk about pole passion. I don't even know what that is.
0:46 Ted
Jon, I have a question before we get into pole passion. Which music do we use this week?
0:56 Jon
If you're a listener of The Ted O'Neill Program, you'll hear The Ted O'Neill Program music. If you're a listener of Levelheaded Talk.
1:01 Andrea
So it'll be sneaky, sneaky. I love it. There's some comfort there, right?
Wonderful. Awesome. So today, we're talking about pull passion, which I personally believe is your purpose.
I think it's the conviction you were born with. It's the thing that you were put on the earth to solve. It's the problem you see everywhere.
And the people who developed this methodology, Brian and Gab Bosché, say, it's the kind of problem you are most drawn to solve. It is the problem you see everywhere.
So in my opinion, I think it's going to seem like an obsession. Just from a human expert perspective, I think it's going to be the thing that you feel like people may judge you for because you're obsessed with it. Obsession is not necessarily a bad thing.
Sometimes it's just magnifying what is your purpose. It's trying to get you to see the thing that you were put here to do. Now, maybe you don't believe in God or anything or design, but when you find your full passion, you're going to kind of believe in God.
It's going to be one of those things where you're like, oh my gosh, like, yeah.
2:11 Ted
I was going to ask if anything truly great has ever been developed without a level of obsession. And I think that's why it's called pull passion. It's evidenced in the language right there.
2:31 Andrea
Yeah, one of the things Gad Bosché says is your conviction is what pulls you. You don't have a choice. That's what a calling is, right?
I mean, you have people called into certain professions that you would never touch. You have to know right now, you could think of three things that you would never do, because they're not your purpose.
But the person who does them is like, I wake up and eat this. This is what I need to do. That is what your pull passion is.
It's your conviction that you were born with. It's the problem you're most drawn to solve. So let's just talk about a few of these, okay?
And we don't have to go into super detail, but I'll just talk about, like, maybe mine and Coach O'Neill's.
So for example, I'm a problem solver. A problem solver is somebody who solves impossible problems.
They want to find something that's a global issue, and they want to put all their energy and intention into undertaking that issue. And so for me, it started as a big problem of the human frame not working correctly. And I wanted to address that as a chiropractor.
And then it was like a fractal, right? You just zoom out. It's like, well, what's the next big problem?
Well, I noticed that emotional insobriety was literally everywhere. And so I started to tackle that. And now I didn't sit down and think, gosh, what could I...
It just happened to me. I had to do it.
I didn't have a choice, is what I feel. In fact, if you read my book, one of the things it talks about is how this work was a calling and a non-negotiable. It means I had no choice.
I had to stay up late at night and invite people to my home and learn about them so that I could see where their insobriety was, reverse engineer all the things and create the curriculum that would help people out of that insanity, so to speak. Coach O'Neill has a different pull passion.
4:33 Jon
Well, let me interject, because one of the things that we discuss often is how reactive most people are and how we want to be more precise and calculated. So this is not a matter of waiting for something to happen to you. It's a matter of knowing your purpose helps you align so that you are in place for the things to come to you that are your pull passion.
I mean, you put yourself in a position every day where those problems will come to you because you eat them.
5:15 Andrea
Well, it's like you're obsessed with it, but you don't even know.
Like, you don't recognize that's why you keep putting yourself in that position.
But I was saying, like, Coach O'Neill has a different pull passion in general. But in totality, we actually have the identical pull passion.
We're both problem solvers.
Which is interesting. We both have an obsession with solving impossible problems.
Which is what makes our marriage so mission-based. So that you can see now if the fact that my natural advantage is different than his, and my acquired skills might be different, and my origin strength might be different. It doesn't matter. Because our main purpose is identical. And for him, before we met, I would say that you, hon, you're a problem solver. Your big issue is probably weakness, what you saw.
6:02 Ted
Yeah. That's exactly it. So as you were talking about, you start to see the fractal of this.
You know, for me, my entry into things like executive coaching wasn't maybe the traditional path. It started out as a strength and conditioning coach. But for me, that was, I was so drawn to this idea of being able to stamp out weakness.
Like if you take someone who's in an underdeveloped body, and then you bring them to the highest levels of physical achievement, you have to overcome your individual weaknesses in a very tactile sense in that way. So for the uninitiated Diablo Barbell, which is our physical training center for Lifted Academy, we've had more elite, or I've developed more elite qualified power lifters, which is a level of achievement in a sport than any other living coach. Much the same as a black belt in martial arts is a level of achievement.
An elite qualification would be the highest level of achievement in the sport of powerlifting. And what's always been unique about our movement in that way is that the overwhelming majority of those people who achieved that status were not natural athletes. They weren't, you know, as you like to say, Johnny, pedigreed lifters.
They often came in as new, searching for something. Oftentimes they came in through our exercise therapy portal where they were injured. And so that was their first level of overcoming weakness.
And so the deeper we went into overcoming those particular physical weaknesses, what started to happen for me was to really see what's the origin point of those weaknesses. Is it the way that we're thinking? Is it a habit that we have somewhere? And so you can start to dimensionalize that whole problem of weakness, and it goes way beyond the physical. So then we begin to develop training in the mental spaces on how to sharpen and hone your mental nature, so you're bulletproof, and then in the emotional spaces, et cetera, et cetera.
And you can go into great levels of depth around solving the problem of weakness. And that's now what I've spent the last nearly 30 years doing.
8:21 Andrea
Yeah, absolutely. And I think problem solvers are so obsessed with solving any problem, too. Like, if you bring me a problem about anything, I literally have to either solve it myself or find a way to solve it. Because it's in my, it's a calling, I can feel it in my chest. That's why I'm saying that you will believe in God after you find your purpose, because it feels like it's literally designed and put in you like a chip, like a microchip.
Okay, this one's going to do this. And so it's really cool because we can have these incredible conversations about global issues or personal, even down to an individual problem that somebody might have. We talk about our people all the time.
We talk about our students, like how can we help so and so with this one thing? Like how can we leverage this and help them? And so that's super helpful for our relationship.
And I bring that up because if you have a company or a relationship, whatever it looks like, and you know everybody's full passion, it is a natural advantage and all the things. It just creates such a different level of respect and understanding and unity, and the ability to work together so much more clearly and easily. If we didn't know these things about each other, we would just be bouncing all this off of our own self-beliefs.
It's like, well, he doesn't do that because he thinks I'm not good enough, or talk about emotional insobriety. It's everywhere. But let's talk about one more example of full passion, because there's five, and I don't know if we'll have time to get through all of them.
We will teach them in our master class next Wednesday, this upcoming Wednesday. You guys will all get emails. If you're interested in doing the master class, then please register on liftedacademy.com/masterclass, and you will be able to sign up for that.
10:12 Ted
Let's clarify the date real quick. It's not this Wednesday. It's going to be Wednesday the 26th.
10:21 Andrea
Great. And so let's use another example of a purpose, a full passion, which is part of your purpose. It's your conviction.
So another one would be a desire-fulfiller. A desire-fulfiller is someone who likes to improve systems, like making them more memorable or effective. So literally, their focus, their conviction, they have to create a memorable, seamless experience for somebody.
A memorable, seamless experience. This could be somebody like a wedding planner. This could be a songwriter. This could be a filmmaker. Somebody who sees this wants to create an experience, and they do so with precision. Right?
So this also could be somebody who wants to make the internet faster. They see an opportunity to enhance something or make it better. That's very exciting because there is a desire for it.
They want to meet the desires of other people. That's what brings them fulfillment. So why is it so important to know your purpose?
As an energetic plane of the human experience, because it brings you energy. When you get to recruit, Jonny, I bet you'll be fulfilled. When I get to solve a problem, I'm fulfilled.
I feel like I'm not going to work because I'm on purpose every second. I'm solving problems literally from the moment I wake up to the moment I go to bed. And so I'm gaining energy back.
Some people feel so depleted by their job because either they're not in the right job or they're not applying their purpose in their job. That's all. So if you bring purpose into companies, which we're going to do, we're going to bring the purpose factor from Brian and Gav Bosché into companies via Lifted Academy, and we're going to help teams all know each other's purpose.
And also emotional sobriety is super important in that. But all learn their purposes so that they can work together and see each other as superheroes, instead of this is where you go up the works, right? It's like, oh, you suck at that because that's not your purpose.
That's not a fault or a flaw. This is where you're amazing. We're not even tapping into that.
That's what we need to look at. Some people, I always say, you're just in the wrong seat.
If it's not working at your job or in your company or in your relationship, you might just be in the wrong seat, been given the wrong roles, expecting somebody to be, you know, a quote, great dad or a great mom. Because of what you think they're supposed to be. But that's not their natural advantage or their ability.
You have to lean on and leverage their skills and the things that they're born with, and see that as a superhuman trait as opposed to crushing everybody because of what they can't do. Right? Because remember, your pull passion is your conviction.
You can't change it. And you wouldn't want to. This is why I loved finding purpose because it was such a relief to be able to have that obsession.
Like there was something wrong with me. It was who I'm meant to be.
Yeah, that is empowering.
A totally different thing. Like, why am I so different from Jonny? Why is Johnny so much, you know, cooler in social situations?
Why is he? I could be comparing myself to you, but that's not my strength.
I'm supposed to be over here doing that. Jonny's supposed to be the guy making it an amazing experience.
13:48 Jon
You know, I want to get a little further into the weeds because you said something about how maybe you're not in the right chair. Maybe you're not in the right. I had a job years ago that, depending on who you asked, I either really love that job and I was great at it or, oh man, you hate that job and you hate the people around you.
But a lot of that was because of exactly what we're talking about. I had tasks that were better suited to be assigned to somebody else.
And I had some tasks that I was great at and those were very fulfilling for me. And I'm still in touch with many of the people I worked with at that job. And they even say sometimes, man, you were really good at that thing.
And then I'll, you know, discuss with somebody else, some other component of that job, and they'll remind me like, yeah, that man, I remember how much you hated that job. But that wasn't entirely true. I hated some things about it because they weren't in my wheelhouse.
And if I had known that, if I had been more in tune with my purpose, I could have raised my hand and said, give me more of this, less of this.
15:12 Andrea
Exactly. That's the job for me. I'm so excited about that.
So yeah, I think what knowing your purpose also does is it removes shame and it increases self-esteem. Because now I'm not putting myself in a position to think I need to be like someone else or do a job that I'm not good at. I'm gonna put myself in a position to do only what I'm great at and get better at the things I have to get better at in order to fulfill my purpose.
Not things that I think I'm supposed to do because it'll make me more money or make this person like me more or maybe retain my position longer. It's because it aligns with my purpose.
15:42 Jon
And I'm able to say to the person who operates differently than I do, whose purpose is not the same as mine, this is more in your wheelhouse. You should take more of these.
15:53 Andrea
Yes. And if you know that about everyone on your team.
15:58 Ted
This is where this can completely transform a corporation or group that works together. Doc, you mentioned not being in the right seat. So oftentimes, what I've noticed in being an executive coach is this comes up frequently.
This person has so many skills, and we just can't figure out why they can't do this, right? Where they might just need to slide over here a little bit or change something in their job description that allows them to use their natural skills to a higher level, as opposed to having to completely reshuffle the deck. And so sometimes, it's just that one little lateral move over or something where you can shift into the things that you're naturally good at, can completely change someone's performance toward the things that the reasons that maybe someone was hired, that intuition that this person fits our organization, now can completely come to fruition as opposed to just spinning your wheels.
And this analogy really applies for any relationship. Right? This is equally important and powerful in people's friendships or their intimate relationships.
12:13 Andrea
Yeah. And so this is great. So remember that was only two examples of pull passion.
There's five examples. So if you come to the masterclass next Wednesday, we're going to go through each and every one. And tomorrow I want to talk about the remaining two components of purpose.
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