Coach Ted talks about the influence of our surroundings - or constructive or destructive interference.
Energetic Consumption
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Energetic Consumption
Season 4/Episode 35
April 15, 2022
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This is the Ted O'Neill Program, where we explore the science and philosophies of performance optimization and the elevation of the human experience. From the mind of Ted O'Neill, with Jon Leon Guerrero.
0:24 Jon
Welcome to the Ted O'Neill program. Today is Friday. This has been a big concept week and it's really been enjoyable for me, in light of the fact that we're using an exposure to my nutritional foibles as the example here. This has been, I hope, helpful for everybody or somebody because it's been helpful for me. So, I'm doing it for my own selfish reasons. If my exposure helps somebody, great. If it doesn't, that's too bad. I'm enjoying myself.
0:53 Ted
Well, this is kind of the element of community. And, you know, that that last bit we did was, I think, totally transparent and totally unscripted. Yeah, it goes completely not the direction we had gone, but there was a little seam and I thought, “Man, this is a great opportunity to explore this and a very real way,” and that's how this works. And so that shows even for someone who's achieved the level of change you have, if we rest on our laurels or become complacent or if we don't always dive deeper—and this is why I frequently like to introduce this concept, and this is for next week… The concept of scale.
So, this relates, in the PPT world—one of the levers that most closely resemble this would be fractals, self-similar repeating patterns, because you can go from small to infinitely large or large to infinitely small, but it's the same thing. So, as we're approaching any level of change, if there's any remnant of the thing that we said we wanted to completely discard, in that moment of time we choose it, we’re 100% living in that—it’s in that moment in time. So that doesn't mean it's any longer our predominant state. But, if we were to freeze frame, that one moment in time where there was that little, quote, “slip,” which is—it's less of a slip, really, and it's more of still some lingering minor bit of attachment to the old way of doing things. If we freeze frame that, that would be your whole reality, the only picture anyone ever saw.
So, then it just shows that each moment has a measure of import. We typically, as humans, think as much more macro level event-based creatures. (Right.) I'm doing this most of the time. Yet if there's ever anything left, that I believe that's an opportunity, because that's the frontier that we don't typically think about: “Well, what if I went farther?” And then if I were to get rid of all that I now have a completely new starting point. And if I have a new starting point, then where can I go? So today, we're talking about consumption this week. And we talked about it initially in the context of nutrition, which is…
3:12 Jon
Is just the easiest place to grasp.
3:14 Ted
The easiest—yeah, it's the easiest thing. The things I throw down my talk-hole, [laughter] whether it's some kind of a beverage or food, right. And then we get into other areas, right? We're talking about mental and emotional energy. How do we consume things energetically?
3:33 Jon
Oh, man. Well, I think for everybody they can relate to—surrounding yourself with people is one way. And the people you choose to surround yourself with is going to create the energy you consume.
3:48 Ted
Yeah. So how does that happen? Because that, you know, on the surface that we say, you know, how, who we surround ourselves with, we're consuming energetically. It sounds a little weird. So, let's break this down a little bit, because there's actually a concept in physics called entrainment. There's also, in waveform physics, that—constructive and destructive interference. So constructive interference, and this is something that, for me… I was really first introduced to this through Bruce Lipton's book, The Biology of Belief, I believe.
4:22 Jon
But you could compare it to harmonic balance. (Okay. Let’s go there.) I mean, kind of the same. I think, you know, it's a similar thing, when you have harmonic imbalance. It's really very similar to energetic dissonance.
4:39 Ted
Dissonance, you could say. (Yeah!) Harmonic imbalance would be dissonance. It sounds off kilter. It doesn't, it doesn't align. Harmonic balance would be something that feels synergistic. (Yep.) Constructive interference would be you walking into a room, everyone's super positive and super excited to see you, they want to hear about what you're doing, and they're sharing what they're doing, and you're super excited about what they're up to. (Yeah.) Everyone, then, all the individuals create a greater sum of the parts. Whereas you flip to the other side, of that you walk into a room and everyone's negative and complaining and playing on their phone and on social media and totally checked out. (Yeah, critical…) Critical. Gossiping. Yeah, all of this kind of a thing. That's going to feel something very, very different. And so that's a form of consumption. And how do you know? Well, what do you feel when you walk into that room? It creates a state in your body. You can actually feel this.
5:35 Jon
So then in that state, you're being eaten?
5:38 Ted
Yeah. And this is one of the things, for me, that years ago started becoming important, when I recognized that there were individuals that have been working with nutrition, for example, and I knew they were actually doing the program or the plan that I gave them, and I saw that they were training, and yet nothing was changing.
So, to me that was odd—that was an odd data point. And it seems like the entire industry just says, you know, one of several very canned responses. Either… “Well, there's food allergies.” Right, and then, now, “If I can absolve myself of that and go take a food allergy test, then it wasn't my fault.” (Yeah.) Right. “You go find out what's wrong with you.” Or it's now they're, you know, they're not adhering to the plan, which is another way of just saying, “I don't know what to do,” because you're not getting the result on what I gave you.
So, as I begin to dive a little bit deeper into this, you can see where people were surrounding themselves, with people, places, and things that weren't in—what did you call it—harmonic balance. They weren't in harmonic balance to their stated higher ideals, goals, and objectives. Their body wouldn’t change, no matter what they did. So then I started thinking, wow that's an interesting deal. Because if you know for example, a predominant state of anxiety, or nervousness, or depression, if that could create a physical effect in the body that would seem to trump proper nutrition and training, then that would be pretty important. And in fact, one could then say that was more important than the foods they were eating and the trading that they did.
So, this concept of energetic consumption really, in my mind, pushed to the forefront. And this is key, and I think this is something that is totally undervalued, and usually it is pushed to the side because we don't get it, because we don't tend to think a little bit outside the box. (Yeah.) But if that is, in fact, more important—I say more important because I've also seen people do this: I have seen people totally change their mind, change their belief system, and have done very little in terms of training or nutrition, and their bodies change, in accordance with their new belief.
And I see people, you know, flog themselves with exercise and nutrition and have nothing happen. Yet there, they're stuck on the same internal channel energetically, right. So, you could also look at it this way. I was discussing this earlier at the gym, because we just came off the amazing event for the movie. (Yeah!) And in the sizzle reel, there's this scene where I'm pouring sand on what's called a Chladni plate, which is a metal plate that receives vibration. And you can dial in a certain vibration, and that vibration or that frequency is going to make a geometric shape, every single time. So, in other words, the sand is just a transducer for vibration. And what that vibration really is a form of geometry, right. Now, if you didn't like the shape that was there, pouring more sand on the plate and trying to manipulate it with your hands is going to yield a very short-term result.
8:51 Jon
Right. (It's…) It’s different from changing the vibration.
8:54 Ted
Yeah, it's not going to change. The second your hands are no longer manipulating; the sand goes right back to what it was. (Yeah, you have to change the frequency.) You have to change the frequency. That's the energetic point. (Yeah.) What we're tuned into, what we're tapped into. Now, that could be multiple seasons in and of itself. (It could.)
But let's just say, as observable, quantifiable results, I've seen this happen on both ends: people really doing the thing in the physical and not receiving the result in the physical, because they were clearly still tuned into the other; or someone just changes their entire mind and their emotional state and their body changes in accordance with that. So then, that would seem to be more powerful. (Yeah!) The machinations that we go through, oftentimes, in the common, right: “Well, I need to do this, I need to do that, so I'm going to jump on a treadmill and I'm going to start eating this way,” and then nothing happens.
9:57 Jon
So, you know, but the truer reality is that it goes hand in hand. So, in other words, to be totally effective at the physical parts, the nutrition, the training, you have to realign your frequency.
10:11 Ted
Yeah, that's kind of what we're all about. In observance of the fact that, as you said, you have to, if you're talking about sustainable change—something that is quantifiably different, if you're talking about sustaining an experience that is in a place that you deem more suitable long term. Like when we first started this, this discussion this week, you talked about one of the reasons that you didn't still consume the way that you did, is you created this whole new identity about longevity, and how you fed your body and how you took care of these things, and what all those things meant to you. (Yeah.) So, this is something that is at the center of what we do. And really this concept we've discussed before about wholism (Yep.) Which is a high-level demonstration physically, mentally, emotionally, and energetically. All of these things affect us. And if we can do work on say two or three of those plants of experience, but we miss it based on our fundamental place that we're tuned into, that feeling, then, is so repetitive in our brains that we now call that who we are.. And I hear this all the time; I'll suggest something. “Well, I'm just not that person.” (Yeah.) Is someone else that person somewhere? Well, yeah. (Yes.) Could you then be that person? (You could.) “Oh, I guess so, but it’s not who I am."
11:36 Jon
Okay. So, you know, some of this week has been about the candor in my exposure, so I'll cut to the chase. That real identity, and that I thought, “There's the identity that I will grasp, that's the identity for which I will strive,” was, I could say a whole lot of things, but it boils down to, “Who's the guy who gets all the chicks?” That's the guy. I'm that guy.
[Laughter]
12:05 Ted
All right. I love that. I love that. Right? And then you went about totally changing everything in your life.
12:12 Jon
Well, you know, and I've always been, you know, I've always been pretty humorous. In the change in iden—in all seriousness, the change of identity—one of the things that I feared was that my identity change would somehow subvert all the things I liked about myself. So, you know, in the identity that I had as the jovial fat guy, I wanted to keep the jovial part. And so, I knew that in order to make those energetic changes, I was going to have to make some shifts. But it turns out, I still get to be—I still get to be funny. I still get to make jokes. I just make them with a different kind of intention. And I make them with a different kind of purpose, and forethought, and that carries through to all of the things that the new identity guy does. So, that includes the disciplined nutrition. You know, I don't do it because I want to achieve a thing; I am already that thing. (Yes.) And so, the doing is just a part of the…
13:17 Ted
It's an expression of your chosen state of being. (Right, not the other way around.) That—and I would say that's fundamental to longevity, with this, and that's, that's that first hurdle that, I would say as a societal norm, most people would consider almost impossible. And in fact, demonstrated by the numbers—that one in 1000, at 1/10 of 1%, that can lose even 20 pounds can sustain it. That would be—that's why most consider that impossible. Because almost no one gets past that hurdle. But if that's not even the minimum hurdle…
13:50 Jon
And you won't get past that hurdle as long as your reward is an ice cream sundae.
13:54 Ted
Yeah, because we're still attached to how we got there in the first place. (Yeah.) If that's the predominant place—now, there's one other element that I want to tie into this energetically, because oftentimes people really become full of resolve. And I can see it, they're genuine, and they're in this place of, you know, “I need this.” They're reaching for that life raft. And we go through stuff and they get all fired up and they're, man, they're all about it. And then they go in, they get their car, and they drive home to the life that they created in the old identity. (Ahww. Oh.)
And then they go to the job that they took in the old identity, where they go to the relationship or the friendships or the physical places (Yeah) that were all the things that they did 24/7 as part of the old identity. So. In the Emotional Sobriety Training, we call that the Familiar Energy Crisis. It's that energetic—right—that, if we're surrounded by it, can pull us back into the familiar feeling that we used to identify as ourself. Yeah. And so this is also why in EMSO Training, we call this a biochemical addiction. (Yes.) Because if we can be in full clarity, saying, “This is my stated objective: I am no longer going to involve myself in these activities,” and then we re-engage those very activities with seemingly little provocation—what creates that effect?
And what creates that effect, in large part, is getting pulled back into the familiar, the life that we created as a person that is now on the opposite side of what we're saying we want to do. Because the person at that finish line wouldn't have created that other life. They wouldn't have been, well, most likely around, you know, certain social events, or maybe a certain circle of friends, or maybe in a certain relationship, a certain diet, etc, etc, etc. All the things that we do. It doesn't mean those things always have to go. We just don't have to arm ourselves with our conviction when we go back into those and be in awareness of, “Okay, I'm stepping back into the thing that I previously created. How do I choose to bring my new identity into this moment?”
Because the second we go into ease, the second we go into autopilot, shut off, and just show up somewhere, without that guard up, so to speak, initially, as we're building our restraint under this new identity—we're instantly going to fall back into the old. (Yeah.) That's what we call the Familiar Energy Crisis. Whether that's familial… Really, I think that's what's been demonstrated as the two most challenging places for everyone: our families and intimate relationships. Work sometimes plays heavily into this as well.
16:46 Jon
Yeah, work can be a form of intimate relationship.
16:49 Ted
Yeah, absolutely. And, so, these are the places to really be on alert for as you're navigating these moments of change.
0:24 Jon
Welcome to the Ted O'Neill program. Today is Friday. This has been a big concept week and it's really been enjoyable for me, in light of the fact that we're using an exposure to my nutritional foibles as the example here. This has been, I hope, helpful for everybody or somebody because it's been helpful for me. So, I'm doing it for my own selfish reasons. If my exposure helps somebody, great. If it doesn't, that's too bad. I'm enjoying myself.
0:53 Ted
Well, this is kind of the element of community. And, you know, that that last bit we did was, I think, totally transparent and totally unscripted. Yeah, it goes completely not the direction we had gone, but there was a little seam and I thought, “Man, this is a great opportunity to explore this and a very real way,” and that's how this works. And so that shows even for someone who's achieved the level of change you have, if we rest on our laurels or become complacent or if we don't always dive deeper—and this is why I frequently like to introduce this concept, and this is for next week… The concept of scale.
So, this relates, in the PPT world—one of the levers that most closely resemble this would be fractals, self-similar repeating patterns, because you can go from small to infinitely large or large to infinitely small, but it's the same thing. So, as we're approaching any level of change, if there's any remnant of the thing that we said we wanted to completely discard, in that moment of time we choose it, we’re 100% living in that—it’s in that moment in time. So that doesn't mean it's any longer our predominant state. But, if we were to freeze frame, that one moment in time where there was that little, quote, “slip,” which is—it's less of a slip, really, and it's more of still some lingering minor bit of attachment to the old way of doing things. If we freeze frame that, that would be your whole reality, the only picture anyone ever saw.
So, then it just shows that each moment has a measure of import. We typically, as humans, think as much more macro level event-based creatures. (Right.) I'm doing this most of the time. Yet if there's ever anything left, that I believe that's an opportunity, because that's the frontier that we don't typically think about: “Well, what if I went farther?” And then if I were to get rid of all that I now have a completely new starting point. And if I have a new starting point, then where can I go? So today, we're talking about consumption this week. And we talked about it initially in the context of nutrition, which is…
3:12 Jon
Is just the easiest place to grasp.
3:14 Ted
The easiest—yeah, it's the easiest thing. The things I throw down my talk-hole, [laughter] whether it's some kind of a beverage or food, right. And then we get into other areas, right? We're talking about mental and emotional energy. How do we consume things energetically?
3:33 Jon
Oh, man. Well, I think for everybody they can relate to—surrounding yourself with people is one way. And the people you choose to surround yourself with is going to create the energy you consume.
3:48 Ted
Yeah. So how does that happen? Because that, you know, on the surface that we say, you know, how, who we surround ourselves with, we're consuming energetically. It sounds a little weird. So, let's break this down a little bit, because there's actually a concept in physics called entrainment. There's also, in waveform physics, that—constructive and destructive interference. So constructive interference, and this is something that, for me… I was really first introduced to this through Bruce Lipton's book, The Biology of Belief, I believe.
4:22 Jon
But you could compare it to harmonic balance. (Okay. Let’s go there.) I mean, kind of the same. I think, you know, it's a similar thing, when you have harmonic imbalance. It's really very similar to energetic dissonance.
4:39 Ted
Dissonance, you could say. (Yeah!) Harmonic imbalance would be dissonance. It sounds off kilter. It doesn't, it doesn't align. Harmonic balance would be something that feels synergistic. (Yep.) Constructive interference would be you walking into a room, everyone's super positive and super excited to see you, they want to hear about what you're doing, and they're sharing what they're doing, and you're super excited about what they're up to. (Yeah.) Everyone, then, all the individuals create a greater sum of the parts. Whereas you flip to the other side, of that you walk into a room and everyone's negative and complaining and playing on their phone and on social media and totally checked out. (Yeah, critical…) Critical. Gossiping. Yeah, all of this kind of a thing. That's going to feel something very, very different. And so that's a form of consumption. And how do you know? Well, what do you feel when you walk into that room? It creates a state in your body. You can actually feel this.
5:35 Jon
So then in that state, you're being eaten?
5:38 Ted
Yeah. And this is one of the things, for me, that years ago started becoming important, when I recognized that there were individuals that have been working with nutrition, for example, and I knew they were actually doing the program or the plan that I gave them, and I saw that they were training, and yet nothing was changing.
So, to me that was odd—that was an odd data point. And it seems like the entire industry just says, you know, one of several very canned responses. Either… “Well, there's food allergies.” Right, and then, now, “If I can absolve myself of that and go take a food allergy test, then it wasn't my fault.” (Yeah.) Right. “You go find out what's wrong with you.” Or it's now they're, you know, they're not adhering to the plan, which is another way of just saying, “I don't know what to do,” because you're not getting the result on what I gave you.
So, as I begin to dive a little bit deeper into this, you can see where people were surrounding themselves, with people, places, and things that weren't in—what did you call it—harmonic balance. They weren't in harmonic balance to their stated higher ideals, goals, and objectives. Their body wouldn’t change, no matter what they did. So then I started thinking, wow that's an interesting deal. Because if you know for example, a predominant state of anxiety, or nervousness, or depression, if that could create a physical effect in the body that would seem to trump proper nutrition and training, then that would be pretty important. And in fact, one could then say that was more important than the foods they were eating and the trading that they did.
So, this concept of energetic consumption really, in my mind, pushed to the forefront. And this is key, and I think this is something that is totally undervalued, and usually it is pushed to the side because we don't get it, because we don't tend to think a little bit outside the box. (Yeah.) But if that is, in fact, more important—I say more important because I've also seen people do this: I have seen people totally change their mind, change their belief system, and have done very little in terms of training or nutrition, and their bodies change, in accordance with their new belief.
And I see people, you know, flog themselves with exercise and nutrition and have nothing happen. Yet there, they're stuck on the same internal channel energetically, right. So, you could also look at it this way. I was discussing this earlier at the gym, because we just came off the amazing event for the movie. (Yeah!) And in the sizzle reel, there's this scene where I'm pouring sand on what's called a Chladni plate, which is a metal plate that receives vibration. And you can dial in a certain vibration, and that vibration or that frequency is going to make a geometric shape, every single time. So, in other words, the sand is just a transducer for vibration. And what that vibration really is a form of geometry, right. Now, if you didn't like the shape that was there, pouring more sand on the plate and trying to manipulate it with your hands is going to yield a very short-term result.
8:51 Jon
Right. (It's…) It’s different from changing the vibration.
8:54 Ted
Yeah, it's not going to change. The second your hands are no longer manipulating; the sand goes right back to what it was. (Yeah, you have to change the frequency.) You have to change the frequency. That's the energetic point. (Yeah.) What we're tuned into, what we're tapped into. Now, that could be multiple seasons in and of itself. (It could.)
But let's just say, as observable, quantifiable results, I've seen this happen on both ends: people really doing the thing in the physical and not receiving the result in the physical, because they were clearly still tuned into the other; or someone just changes their entire mind and their emotional state and their body changes in accordance with that. So then, that would seem to be more powerful. (Yeah!) The machinations that we go through, oftentimes, in the common, right: “Well, I need to do this, I need to do that, so I'm going to jump on a treadmill and I'm going to start eating this way,” and then nothing happens.
9:57 Jon
So, you know, but the truer reality is that it goes hand in hand. So, in other words, to be totally effective at the physical parts, the nutrition, the training, you have to realign your frequency.
10:11 Ted
Yeah, that's kind of what we're all about. In observance of the fact that, as you said, you have to, if you're talking about sustainable change—something that is quantifiably different, if you're talking about sustaining an experience that is in a place that you deem more suitable long term. Like when we first started this, this discussion this week, you talked about one of the reasons that you didn't still consume the way that you did, is you created this whole new identity about longevity, and how you fed your body and how you took care of these things, and what all those things meant to you. (Yeah.) So, this is something that is at the center of what we do. And really this concept we've discussed before about wholism (Yep.) Which is a high-level demonstration physically, mentally, emotionally, and energetically. All of these things affect us. And if we can do work on say two or three of those plants of experience, but we miss it based on our fundamental place that we're tuned into, that feeling, then, is so repetitive in our brains that we now call that who we are.. And I hear this all the time; I'll suggest something. “Well, I'm just not that person.” (Yeah.) Is someone else that person somewhere? Well, yeah. (Yes.) Could you then be that person? (You could.) “Oh, I guess so, but it’s not who I am."
11:36 Jon
Okay. So, you know, some of this week has been about the candor in my exposure, so I'll cut to the chase. That real identity, and that I thought, “There's the identity that I will grasp, that's the identity for which I will strive,” was, I could say a whole lot of things, but it boils down to, “Who's the guy who gets all the chicks?” That's the guy. I'm that guy.
[Laughter]
12:05 Ted
All right. I love that. I love that. Right? And then you went about totally changing everything in your life.
12:12 Jon
Well, you know, and I've always been, you know, I've always been pretty humorous. In the change in iden—in all seriousness, the change of identity—one of the things that I feared was that my identity change would somehow subvert all the things I liked about myself. So, you know, in the identity that I had as the jovial fat guy, I wanted to keep the jovial part. And so, I knew that in order to make those energetic changes, I was going to have to make some shifts. But it turns out, I still get to be—I still get to be funny. I still get to make jokes. I just make them with a different kind of intention. And I make them with a different kind of purpose, and forethought, and that carries through to all of the things that the new identity guy does. So, that includes the disciplined nutrition. You know, I don't do it because I want to achieve a thing; I am already that thing. (Yes.) And so, the doing is just a part of the…
13:17 Ted
It's an expression of your chosen state of being. (Right, not the other way around.) That—and I would say that's fundamental to longevity, with this, and that's, that's that first hurdle that, I would say as a societal norm, most people would consider almost impossible. And in fact, demonstrated by the numbers—that one in 1000, at 1/10 of 1%, that can lose even 20 pounds can sustain it. That would be—that's why most consider that impossible. Because almost no one gets past that hurdle. But if that's not even the minimum hurdle…
13:50 Jon
And you won't get past that hurdle as long as your reward is an ice cream sundae.
13:54 Ted
Yeah, because we're still attached to how we got there in the first place. (Yeah.) If that's the predominant place—now, there's one other element that I want to tie into this energetically, because oftentimes people really become full of resolve. And I can see it, they're genuine, and they're in this place of, you know, “I need this.” They're reaching for that life raft. And we go through stuff and they get all fired up and they're, man, they're all about it. And then they go in, they get their car, and they drive home to the life that they created in the old identity. (Ahww. Oh.)
And then they go to the job that they took in the old identity, where they go to the relationship or the friendships or the physical places (Yeah) that were all the things that they did 24/7 as part of the old identity. So. In the Emotional Sobriety Training, we call that the Familiar Energy Crisis. It's that energetic—right—that, if we're surrounded by it, can pull us back into the familiar feeling that we used to identify as ourself. Yeah. And so this is also why in EMSO Training, we call this a biochemical addiction. (Yes.) Because if we can be in full clarity, saying, “This is my stated objective: I am no longer going to involve myself in these activities,” and then we re-engage those very activities with seemingly little provocation—what creates that effect?
And what creates that effect, in large part, is getting pulled back into the familiar, the life that we created as a person that is now on the opposite side of what we're saying we want to do. Because the person at that finish line wouldn't have created that other life. They wouldn't have been, well, most likely around, you know, certain social events, or maybe a certain circle of friends, or maybe in a certain relationship, a certain diet, etc, etc, etc. All the things that we do. It doesn't mean those things always have to go. We just don't have to arm ourselves with our conviction when we go back into those and be in awareness of, “Okay, I'm stepping back into the thing that I previously created. How do I choose to bring my new identity into this moment?”
Because the second we go into ease, the second we go into autopilot, shut off, and just show up somewhere, without that guard up, so to speak, initially, as we're building our restraint under this new identity—we're instantly going to fall back into the old. (Yeah.) That's what we call the Familiar Energy Crisis. Whether that's familial… Really, I think that's what's been demonstrated as the two most challenging places for everyone: our families and intimate relationships. Work sometimes plays heavily into this as well.
16:46 Jon
Yeah, work can be a form of intimate relationship.
16:49 Ted
Yeah, absolutely. And, so, these are the places to really be on alert for as you're navigating these moments of change.
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